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Hancock, Carlson and Shermer on Rogan discuss Paleolithic, Göbekli Tepe, Clovis first, Younger Dryas

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Posted on 29-05-2017 20:14
This podcast came out two weeks ago, and has already reached legendary status, with thousands of comments on the reddit thread, and a subsequent published article in Scientific American.



A little bit of background: Some months ago Hancock and Carlson were on Rogan discussing various new ideas on the origin of agriculture, who were the builders of Göbekli Tepe, possible comet impact causing the Younger Dryas, and thus being the "real" cause for the end of the paleolithic, and the coming of the neolithic. Shermer, the edior in Chief of Skeptic magazine visited Rogan's podcast some time later (one of his many visits), and wanted to take on the pair in a discussion of facts, pseudoscience and what happened at the paleolithic/neolithic boundary.

What follows is 3½ hours of discussion, with both sides going at it, being allowed "phone a friend/expert" lifelines, ad-hoc slide presentations, and Young Jamie trying his best at keeping up with fact checking via impartial sources.

This is well worth it for anyone interested in the paleolithic, the end of the ice age, possible ancient civilizations, the colonization of the Americas, the building of the Sphinx, Göbekli Tepe, archeoastronomy, and the extinction of the paleolithic mega fauna.


The debaters as presented:
Graham Hancock is an English author and journalist, well known for books such as "Fingerprints Of The Gods" & his latest book "Magicians of the Gods".
Randall Carlson is a master builder and architectural designer, teacher, geometrician, geomythologist, geological explorer and renegade scholar.
Michael Shermer is a science writer, historian of science, founder of The Skeptics Society, and Editor in Chief of its magazine Skeptic.


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Edited by Norlander on 29-05-2017 20:16
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Posted on 29-05-2017 23:07
The booklist of books mentioned during the podcast:

Book List

“Magicians of the Gods” by Graham Hancock
“Black Athena: The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization (The Fabrication of Ancient Greece 1785-1985, Volume 1)” by Martin Bernal
“Kon-Tiki: Across the Pacific in a Raft” by Thor Heyerdahl
“Why People Believe Weird Things: Pseudoscience, Superstition, and Other Confusions of Our Time” by Michael Shermer
“Noah’s Flood: The New Scientific Discoveries About the Event that Changed History” by William Ryan & Walter Pitman
“Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies” by Jared M. Diamond
“Fingerprints of the Gods” by Graham Hancock
“The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind” by Julian Jaynes
“The Mind in the Cave: Consciousness and the Origins of Art” by David Lewis-Williams
“Food of the Gods: The Search for the Original Tree of Knowledge A Radical History of Plants, Drugs, and Human Evolution” by Terence McKenna
“Supernatural: Meetings with the Ancient Teachers of Mankind” by Graham Hancock
“Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human” by Richard Wrangham
“The Book of Enoch” by Enoch
“The 12th Planet: Book I of the Earth Chronicles” by Zecharia Sitchin
not specified book by Ed Krupp
“Origins of the Sphinx: Celestial Guardian of Pre-Pharaonic Civilization” by Robert M. Schoch Ph.D. & Robert Bauval
“American Serengeti: The Last Big Animals of the Great Plains” by Dan Flores
“Forbidden Archeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race” by Michael A. Cremo & Richard L. Thompson
“Forgotten Civilization: The Role of Solar Outbursts in Our Past and Future” by Robert M. Schoch Ph.D.
“Timaeus and Critias (Atlantis)” by Plato
“Plato Never Lied: Atlantis Is In Indonesia” by Danny Hilman Natawidjaya
“Path of the Pole” by Charles H. Hapgood


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Posted on 30-05-2017 01:32
A review of the podcast from Jason Colavito, who among other things, is a contributor to Skeptic magazine


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Posted on 31-05-2017 18:02
I remember that Hancock fellow from years back with the orion thing - complete crackpot. The Randall Carlson is unknown to me, but seems to be playing the same game as Hancock.

Nice to see someone taking them on. Yay for the Skeptics! smiley


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Posted on 31-05-2017 22:25
Randall Carlson was fucking awesome in this podcast. His bit is mostly after 2 hours.

Hancock is more or less a crackpot.


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